Comments on: Food V – Conclusions http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/ Reflection on ancient and contemporary worship and literature. Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:15:25 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Stephen http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/comment-page-1/#comment-222 Stephen Mon, 16 Apr 2007 07:35:03 +0000 http://theyomen.com/?p=44#comment-222 I want to be asain. Meaning, I want to take their philosophy of finding beauty in all the world around me, while living simply. I have our cheap and flimsy culture substituting production and entertainment for satisfaction and family. It is really frustrating to try to live different culturally than the one you live in. I fear I am hoplessly trapped able to make only small changes in the directions I would rather go. Adam, our days of conversation, tea, and writing are as close as I get. Thanks. I want to be asain. Meaning, I want to take their philosophy of finding beauty in all the world around me, while living simply. I have our cheap and flimsy culture substituting production and entertainment for satisfaction and family.

It is really frustrating to try to live different culturally than the one you live in. I fear I am hoplessly trapped able to make only small changes in the directions I would rather go.

Adam, our days of conversation, tea, and writing are as close as I get. Thanks.

]]> By: MOM http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/comment-page-1/#comment-221 MOM Mon, 16 Apr 2007 00:28:35 +0000 http://theyomen.com/?p=44#comment-221 Adam....Adam.....Adam.....You never fail to touch my heart strings. All the years of struggle to get you to eat.......FOOD......looks like it payed off finally. I just realized it wasn't the food you hated it was the smell. If you had tried the onions you would have liked them. Mayonnaise only makes you fat anyway. I don't like lunch meat either. But I still love it when we can all get together and sit at any table and share our stories and our love and our laughter and our tears, your wisdom, (some may question that statement) RJ's humor, Jason's fantastically funny and detailed stories and Jodie's excitement about whatever is happening in her life that day. Many more wonderful meals are always anticipated as our family grows and blossoms with each new member. See you in May. Your chicken, mashed potatoes and canned corn will be waiting for you. I love you, MOM Adam….Adam…..Adam…..You never fail to touch my heart strings. All the years of struggle to get you to eat…….FOOD……looks like it payed off finally. I just realized it wasn’t the food you hated it was the smell. If you had tried the onions you would have liked them. Mayonnaise only makes you fat anyway. I don’t like lunch meat either. But I still love it when we can all get together and sit at any table and share our stories and our love and our laughter and our tears, your wisdom, (some may question that statement) RJ’s humor, Jason’s fantastically funny and detailed stories and Jodie’s excitement about whatever is happening in her life that day. Many more wonderful meals are always anticipated as our family grows and blossoms with each new member. See you in May. Your chicken, mashed potatoes and canned corn will be waiting for you.
I love you, MOM

]]> By: Jodie http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/comment-page-1/#comment-217 Jodie Thu, 12 Apr 2007 03:21:14 +0000 http://theyomen.com/?p=44#comment-217 Adam, As I read your thoughts on meal time and food I find myself remembering many nights till 2 am that were started at dinner. Discussions of right and wrong, lessons in church history, and general insight into how one should proceed in love, life, and annoying boyfriend problems... Then I think on the day that Jeremy and I closed on our house and Jason took us out to eat. It was celebratory!!! The original intent was sustenance and traffic avoidance, but we stayed many hours listening to amazing stories as only our brother can tell. I think that he entertained the entire staff. Or a recent lunch with Roland after a yo-yo show where I was advised in the ways of money, life, and using my time efficiently while in school. The food in these cases was not the most important thing on the table...it was time. The time for me to learn from people who want to love and protect me in the best way that they know how....knowledge. These last few holidays have not been the same without you here. We all still sit at the table for many more hours than in necessary to eat...but your input and humor is sorely missed. I can't wait for you to come home!!!!! I miss the meals that we share. Maybe this time we can come to my house!!!! Adam,
As I read your thoughts on meal time and food I find myself remembering many nights till 2 am that were started at dinner. Discussions of right and wrong, lessons in church history, and general insight into how one should proceed in love, life, and annoying boyfriend problems… Then I think on the day that Jeremy and I closed on our house and Jason took us out to eat. It was celebratory!!! The original intent was sustenance and traffic avoidance, but we stayed many hours listening to amazing stories as only our brother can tell. I think that he entertained the entire staff. Or a recent lunch with Roland after a yo-yo show where I was advised in the ways of money, life, and using my time efficiently while in school. The food in these cases was not the most important thing on the table…it was time. The time for me to learn from people who want to love and protect me in the best way that they know how….knowledge. These last few holidays have not been the same without you here. We all still sit at the table for many more hours than in necessary to eat…but your input and humor is sorely missed. I can’t wait for you to come home!!!!! I miss the meals that we share. Maybe this time we can come to my house!!!!

]]> By: Adam B. http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/comment-page-1/#comment-216 Adam B. Wed, 11 Apr 2007 20:21:33 +0000 http://theyomen.com/?p=44#comment-216 Amira, I think that food is meaningless in the same way that beauty is meaningless, that is, it has no power in itself to bring us closer to God. Beauty is not like righteousness in that it is pleasing to God in and of itself, and food is not somehow better in God's eyes if it tastes exquisite rather than poor. Even still, beauty in worship may help open our minds to the wonders of the Almighty, and food, because it is universal to all people, has found great utility in both relational and spiritual matters. Of course the relationships are more important than the food we eat! But I also think that food is great way to be hospitable, and this applies directly to the potluck. For a guest you serve the best, bring out the china, kill the fatted calf (or goat if you will). It is not somehow wrong to eat bad food, because food is meaningless, but it is in poor taste to serve bad food. One comment said that he is willing to suffer through the bad food for the sake of the relational time. I think he is right to say that, but at the same time I wonder why we subject our guests to bad food to begin with. Perhaps most church goers are New Yorkers and so a potluck is the thrill of a lifetime. If this is true, that all church goers are New Yorkers (see Food IV), than a potluck is very much like the time my family spends at McDonalds. The food may not be good in even the broadest sense of the word but everyone enjoys it and it opens the doors to communication. However, in the real world, most people are not New Yorkers so maybe we should substitute more classical dishes, like mashed potatoes for example, for our highly experimental Aug Rotten potato and lunch-meat casserole topped with sour-cream, salsa and raisins. We don't go to church looking like slobs and stinking to high heaven, so why do we bring dishes that do? Amira,
I think that food is meaningless in the same way that beauty is meaningless, that is, it has no power in itself to bring us closer to God. Beauty is not like righteousness in that it is pleasing to God in and of itself, and food is not somehow better in God’s eyes if it tastes exquisite rather than poor. Even still, beauty in worship may help open our minds to the wonders of the Almighty, and food, because it is universal to all people, has found great utility in both relational and spiritual matters. Of course the relationships are more important than the food we eat! But I also think that food is great way to be hospitable, and this applies directly to the potluck. For a guest you serve the best, bring out the china, kill the fatted calf (or goat if you will). It is not somehow wrong to eat bad food, because food is meaningless, but it is in poor taste to serve bad food. One comment said that he is willing to suffer through the bad food for the sake of the relational time. I think he is right to say that, but at the same time I wonder why we subject our guests to bad food to begin with. Perhaps most church goers are New Yorkers and so a potluck is the thrill of a lifetime. If this is true, that all church goers are New Yorkers (see Food IV), than a potluck is very much like the time my family spends at McDonalds. The food may not be good in even the broadest sense of the word but everyone enjoys it and it opens the doors to communication. However, in the real world, most people are not New Yorkers so maybe we should substitute more classical dishes, like mashed potatoes for example, for our highly experimental Aug Rotten potato and lunch-meat casserole topped with sour-cream, salsa and raisins. We don’t go to church looking like slobs and stinking to high heaven, so why do we bring dishes that do?

]]> By: Amira http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/comment-page-1/#comment-215 Amira Wed, 11 Apr 2007 19:39:00 +0000 http://theyomen.com/?p=44#comment-215 Adam Your defence of McDonalds is somewhat confusing in light if the ealier pot luck blog. What you are saying is, the food is irrelevant, it's the occasion and the company that are important. Yes, I know, and the price. Isn't that what lots of people said about pot lucks?? If you go to a church function for the food, you're probably missing the point. In fact I think Paul in Corinthians says something very similar about communion where he told them off for turnung it into a feast instead of recognising it for the symbolic and relational event Christ meant it to be. Adam
Your defence of McDonalds is somewhat confusing in light if the ealier pot luck blog. What you are saying is, the food is irrelevant, it’s the occasion and the company that are important. Yes, I know, and the price. Isn’t that what lots of people said about pot lucks?? If you go to a church function for the food, you’re probably missing the point. In fact I think Paul in Corinthians says something very similar about communion where he told them off for turnung it into a feast instead of recognising it for the symbolic and relational event Christ meant it to be.

]]> By: Aaron in South Sudan http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/comment-page-1/#comment-214 Aaron in South Sudan Sat, 07 Apr 2007 14:05:24 +0000 http://theyomen.com/?p=44#comment-214 I think you're the first person in the history of the world that has a compelling argument for eating at McDonalds. For some reason I want a cheeseburger now. Also it's nice to have all my meals planned for me. Breakfast - Bread and tea Lunch - Some kind of starch some kind of bean or lentil Dinner - Repeat Lunch. :) I think you’re the first person in the history of the world that has a compelling argument for eating at McDonalds. For some reason I want a cheeseburger now.

Also it’s nice to have all my meals planned for me.

Breakfast – Bread and tea

Lunch – Some kind of starch some kind of bean or lentil

Dinner – Repeat Lunch.
:)

]]> By: Mary Relph http://theyomen.com/2007/04/06/food-v-conclusions/comment-page-1/#comment-211 Mary Relph Fri, 06 Apr 2007 23:49:46 +0000 http://theyomen.com/?p=44#comment-211 I agree... mealtimes as a family are very important in that they give special time together and it is a good time for interaction and relaxation. It is also very hard to come by during certain seasons of life....I speak from expierance with having two small children and being in full-time ministry it gets hard to sit down together for a meal.....but I have to say that the fact that we are not always able to have every meal together (in fact it usually ends up that we get 2 nights a week that we are able to have dinner together) makes the times that we are able to eat together that much more special and anticipated....it also has an impact on what I decide to serve for that meal.....since I do not get to cook dinner for my husband that often when I do I want it to be the best that I can prepare....not leftover surprise. I agree… mealtimes as a family are very important in that they give special time together and it is a good time for interaction and relaxation. It is also very hard to come by during certain seasons of life….I speak from expierance with having two small children and being in full-time ministry it gets hard to sit down together for a meal…..but I have to say that the fact that we are not always able to have every meal together (in fact it usually ends up that we get 2 nights a week that we are able to have dinner together) makes the times that we are able to eat together that much more special and anticipated….it also has an impact on what I decide to serve for that meal…..since I do not get to cook dinner for my husband that often when I do I want it to be the best that I can prepare….not leftover surprise.

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